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28 December 2006 @ 06:17 am
 
Vandermeer hit the nail on the head regarding [info]jaylake's original post regarding self-revelatory fiction and its role or lack of one in sf/f/h. 

I don't think it's a failing of genre or of the writer. Some writers need more distance from reality to open up. Others need less. What matters more than this is that the "mix" is right--that you are writing not from received ideas but from details of the real world. And that some of those details are personal.

Absolutely. Jay might was well have said that po-mo fiction stands in the way of calving something real from the writer's true self. Or surrealism does. Or television scripts do.  Because regardless of genre employed or how much "self " a writer reveals, certain details must have a simple ring of truth for fiction to resonate emotionally with readers - and Jeff is right to assert that some of those details ought to be personal -

- so that a stranger can read a story and think:

Is this fictional character in this impossible situation feeling what I have felt? Because this is what it's like. It's what it's like to be me. Jesus, am I actually reading that I am being understood?

- because it's not the writer's cool memory or autobiographical material that matters. The writer is not the one who is flayed open in a truly resonant story. It's the reader who is laid bare.

And that requires execution. A human touch. The "mix," as Vandermeer said. 

Takes years to learn that, if it comes at all, and genre is irrelevent.

 
 
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(Anonymous) on December 28th, 2006 06:23 am (UTC)
Nice
Kelly McCullough here. I followed Jay's link. Good stuff. Talking story and process with you and Alan and the gang is the one thing I most miss about the Karma weasels. Well, that and seeing your gorgeous handwriting ripping interesting new holes in my stories. We really ouught to have a reunion party one of these days.
Barth Anderson: Servile[info]barthanderson on December 28th, 2006 02:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Nice
Hey, Kelly. Good to see you - virtually. Good to virtually see you. Yes, a reunion party would be fun. I never get out, so ANY get together would be fun!

Fun reading over at Wyrdsmiths, btw. But you and Lyda should really try to get along more. ;)
lyda222[info]lyda222 on December 28th, 2006 08:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Nice
Please, baiting Kelly is my life's blood. (I don't have you or Alan to poke any more, do I?)
Barth Anderson: this is a good boy[info]barthanderson on December 29th, 2006 01:34 pm (UTC)
Re: Nice
*misty blinking eyes*
kellymccullough[info]kellymccullough on December 30th, 2006 12:44 am (UTC)
Re: Nice
I thought I was baiting you...Damn, did I fall for the classic switch the bait?
it's a great life, if you don't weaken: carnival[info]matociquala on December 28th, 2006 01:01 pm (UTC)
Yo. *g* Represent.

It seems to me what I mean when I talk about getting the blood on the page is the same thing that John Gardner talks about when he describes witnessing a terrible accident and going to assist the injured.

The little voice in your head that says, this is material, remember this, remember what it's like.

Feel the blood sticky-slick over your fingers and the hopelessness and put it down so somebody else can get it. Remember what it's like to hold a new baby and smell that powdery scent, the combination of terror you might do something wrong and tenderness and fierce animal protectiveness, and get that down, as well.

Make it visceral and real.
Barth Anderson[info]barthanderson on December 28th, 2006 02:55 pm (UTC)
"So somebody else can get it." Right on, Bear.

It's why writers ought to keep journals at some point in their lives - not just to record material, but to get in the habit of observing and identifying telling detail.

Monet and Whistler both have famous stories about painting their dying wives - Monet couldn't stop breaking down the colors and light in her face as she died. Consequently, "Camille Monet on Her Deathbed" is grey and dim - and brutally honest.